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陶喆第二封来信(04.8.24)

[b][color=Maroon]喆服提示：请大家表达自己最诚恳的想法，谢谢！[/color][/b]

原文如下
[color=Navy]8/24/04 2:34pm LA

     These past few weeks have been quite difficult as far as writing and music goes.  I have been struggling with ideas, sounds and concepts.  Mainly, I have been at a loss for what to say and talk about.  For me, this is the biggest issue when producing an album because if I don’t know what I want to say then everything is meaningless.

     I experience a lot of self-doubt, confusion, frustration and depression during each production of a new album.  But this process is essential because otherwise nothing new will emerge.  I firmly believe that one must “reset to zero” before one’s heart and soul can contain and express new ideas and emotions.  However, this process can be quite painful and exhausting emotionally.  I believe that if one is not able to complete this process andcycle then one will not move forward or grow in that stage of life.

     Something I’ve wanted to talk about but only touched upon previously is the state of Chinese music as a whole.  The reason I couldn’t’ talk about these things is because of the limitations of the media and press.  I’m not talking about censorship but about the fact that our media is becoming increasingly more focused on trends and gossip rather than more “serious” topics.  Therefore, I am delighted to have this forum in which I can “chat” and share with my friends and supporters thoughts and ideas I may have. I am in no way claiming that I am right about anything so please don’t hold me to that.  I am merely expressing my opinions and observations about things that I am extremely concerned about. I don’t see music as just merely entertainment but a reflection of our culture and society.

     The eternal dilemma of the artist is to create something new while at the same time not isolate his/her audience.  That is something I ponder with each album.  To deliver something that is both new and fresh while at the same time not losing your audience is something very difficult to achieve if at all achievable.  If you come out with an album that is too different than your previous works then people will say that you are changing for change’s sake or that you have changed for the worse.         If you don’t change at all then people will say you are repeating yourself and stagnant.  How does one achieve a “perfect” balance so that both sides are satisfied?

     Often people tell me that their favorite album of mine is the “blue” one or the first album.  They tell me their favorite songs are “Blue Moon” or “I Love You” and that they wish I could write more songs like those.  However, what they fail to understand is that the person who wrote those songs has grown and changed.  If I tried to write songs like I did on the first album I probably wouldn’t be able to do so because I’ve become a different person who feels and thinks differently.  And even If I were able to write songs similar to those on the first album would people like them or would they say that I’m repeating myself?  Herein, lies the dilemma.

     And what is the solution to all this?  Well, there is no “solution” except to be true to yourself and be yourself.       

     However, that is easier said than done, as you all know.  It takes courage, love, and some wisdom to be yourself.  What I’m grateful of is that at least I have the love and support of my fans and friends to be myself.  As for
wisdom, well, I ask that of God.

     Production and work on my new album has already commenced as you may already have heard.  I am deep within the process and am often confused and frustrated.  I hope something new and true will emerge at the end of this journey.  There are talks and rumors about when the album will be released but all I can say is that it will be done when it’s done.  I ask for your support and patience and that you also keep an open mind and ear when you first listen to this album when it comes out.It will be something quite different than the previous albums but I assure you one thing-that this and every album of mine will be an imprint of my life, mind, heart and soul.

     To me, the first three albums formed a trilogy of sorts.  This is technically the fourth new studio album and, so, it will commence a new period or perhaps trilogy for me.  This new album will embark on new sounds, topics, ideas, feelings and opinions.  But it will, nevertheless, still be a David Tao album at the core.

Until next time…DT[/color]


翻译如下：

04年8月24日  洛杉矶 下午2:34
（北京时间 04年8月25日 凌晨4：34）

  随着音乐创作的深入,这几周对我来说真的很难熬.我一直挣扎于灵感、音乐和概念中.现在的问题主要是,我不太知道我想说些什么，谈论些什么.这对于我来说是创作中最大的事情,因为如果不知道要传递些什么样的讯息的话,那么一切将毫无意义.

  每次出新的专辑,我都会经历自我怀疑,迷失,挫折感和抑郁的一个过程.但是这个过程是很重要的,否则就不会有新的东西出现.我坚信在一个人的心和灵魂要承载和表达新的思想和感情之前,是必须要"一切归零"的.虽然整个过程很痛苦和耗费精力,但是我认为如果一个人不能反复完成这整个过程,那么他将不会有进步,也不会在生命中得到真正的成长.

  我想要说的但之前只是提到过一些的，是华语音乐的整体状况.我不能讨论这些事情的原因在于传媒的限制.我说的并不是审查制度,而是一个现象，那就是我们的传媒已经越来越多地关注流行动态和八卦新闻而不是一些更加"严肃认真"的话题.所以我很高兴能有这样的一个论坛,我可以在这里和我的朋友和支持者们一起聊天和分享我对人对事的一些看法.我并不是说我对任何事的看法都是正确的,所以也请大家不要觉得我总是正确。我只是在传递我自己对我所关心的事情的论点和看法,我不认为音乐只是一种纯娱乐,它应该是我们文化和社会的一种折射和反应.

  艺人的一个两难状况在于创新的同时又不能撇开他的听众.这也是我做每张专辑时所要考虑到的事情.如果可以在传递新东西的同时又不失去你的听众的话，那一定是一件非常困难的事情.如果你做一张与你以往所做的完全不同的专辑,那么人们就会说你是为了改变而改变或者不是为了一个好的目的而改变.如果你根本不做改变,人们就会说你在重复自己,原地踏步.怎样才能在"变"与"不变"之间找到完美的平衡呢?

  经常有人对我说他们最喜欢的一张我的专辑是第一张蓝色的专辑,他们告诉我说最喜欢的歌是"沙滩"或者是"爱很简单",而且希望我能写出更多的象这样的歌.但是他们不太了解当初写这些歌的人已经成长和改变了不少.如果我要试着写象第一张专辑那样的歌,我可能做不到了,因为我已经变成了一个和当初想法完全不一样的人了,甚至如果我能写和第一张一样的歌,人们会不会喜欢呢?人们会不会说我又在重复自己呢?这就是一种矛盾.

  解决这些问题的办法是什么呢?除非你用心努力做回你自己,否则根本没有解决的办法.

  可是正如大家都知道的那样,说易于做.做自己需要勇气,爱和智慧.目前为止最令我感激的是我的歌迷和朋友对我的爱和支持,而这些是我坚持做我自己的最大支持.至于智慧,我只有祈求上帝了.

  象你们听说的那样,新专辑的制作工作已经开始了,我也全身心地投入到这当中去,也经常产生怀疑和感觉到挫折.我希望在这路的尽头会有新的希望出现.关于新专辑的发行日期外面已经在风言风语地传开,但是我只能说当它做好的时候它就会和大家见面.我需要你们的耐心和支持,当这张专辑出来的时候,我希望你们能敞开胸怀,用心聆听,因为它将会是与以往专辑完全不一样的一张专辑,我也向大家保证一件事情,就是我的每一张专辑都会是我生活,思想,心境和灵魂的真实写照.

  对于我来说,前三张专辑已经形成了一个成长过程的三步曲,而这第四张专辑在技术的层面上将会开创一个新的时代或许是我另一个三步曲的开始.这张新专辑将承载新的声音,新的话题,新的思想,新的感受和新的观点.但是不管怎样,它仍然会是一张陶喆式的专辑.

下次再聊吧... DT David Tao 陶喆

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哈哈！！沙发！！！
这是真的？？？？？？我不能相信！！！谢谢陶陶！！！
不管你怎样！我们都会[em04]你的！我们知道你会在来的！
陶陶！你要加油哦！困难总是会过去！别想太多！[em03][em03]
希望大家不要灌水，陶陶一定会看到的！！

[[i] Last edited by 寂寞喆宏 on 2004-8-25 at 10:38 [/i]]

板凳，早上的惊喜应该是这个了~~~
David每天工作那么晚，累了就来这里看看吧，灌灌水也行。。。
或者去DTVC做麦霸随便哼哼找灵感吧~~~
偶们不睡会陪你的，因为偶们这里是下午。。。

[[i] Last edited by JiJi on 2004-8-25 at 11:06 [/i]]

翻译你是个好人！就这样了，我不编辑了。


陶喆老了，我也老了。老也不是什么坏事，老了就更有想法了。写的真深奥，翻译了我还是看不懂。[em17]

[[i] Last edited by 士口 on 2004-8-25 at 03:08 [/i]]

Dave, all the troulbles you've met don't matter much now. As a real supporter of you and your music , we won't put u into kind of rush hour situation. Just like u said, it will be done when it's done. Now I'm more concerning about your condition, and I can feel what u feel. However, Creating good music is supposed to be a process of happiness to transfer love and hope by concerning about our society and wrong doings. Finally, may GOD bless u forever.

J-will Jason Yu
        08/25/04  10:38 am
中文:
     Dave, 你现在遇到的所有困难已经不再重要了,因为作为你和你的音乐的真正支持者,我们不会催你.就象你说的,"当它做好的时候它就会和大家见面",现在我更担心的你的状况,我能感受到你所感受得到的东西.不管怎样,创作好音乐应该是一个快乐的过程,这是一个通过关心我们的社会和我们的不足来传递爱和希望的过程.最后,愿上帝永远保佑你.

J-will Jason Yu
        08/25/04  早上10:38

[[i] Last edited by J-will on 2004-8-25 at 11:18 [/i]]

太棒了！！！陶陶真的是太好啊！！！
感动的无法言语啊！！！

陶陶又是是在凌晨写的信 啊！！
5555555555555！
陶陶你要多注意身体哦！！
好音乐陶陶造！！！！！！！！！！

[color=Blue]关于新专辑的发行日期外面已经在风言风语地传开,但是我只能说当它做好的时候它就会和大家见面[/color]

Ohh my dear god!
陶陶我们永远支持你啊……做你想做的！做你喜欢做的！
this love is 4ever a!


再看一遍英文的……恩，我该学习英语了！
呵呵，突然发现通过喆服可以探索陶陶现在的深处……
A great job!

" 经常有人对我说他们最喜欢的一张我的专辑是第一张蓝色封面的专辑,他们告诉我说最喜欢的歌是"沙滩"或者是"爱很简单",而且希望我能写出更多的象这样的歌.但是他们不太了解当初写这些歌的人已经成长和改变了不少.如果我要试着写象第一张专辑那样的歌,我可能做不到了,因为我已经变成了一个和当初想法完全不一样的人了,甚至如果我能写和第一张一样的歌,人们会不会喜欢呢?人们会不会说我又在重复自己呢?这就是一种矛盾."

David说的很对啊！
怎么能老是停留在过去呢？

每次都要有新的突破，新的创意，才有可能长青下去！

我希望David的新专集更有不一样的感觉！

[em04][em04][em03][em16][em16][em14][em14]

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David,能看得出来你现在是处于一种迷失的状态，正如你所说，你真的不太知道要在音乐中表达什么东西了。不过没有关系，任何好的作品都是要经历过挣扎和斟酌才能在最后放射光芒，希望你能顺利度过这个很艰难的时刻，坚持到底！我们始终站在你的背后支持你的。

[color=Green][size=6][font=黑体]support you Forever[/font][/size][/color]

                                                                       [color=Red]Harrychen[/color]

[[i] Last edited by Harry on 2004-8-25 at 09:08 [/i]]

[em02]太激动了，David又给我们写信了。希望David在做专辑的时候不要这么辛苦。我们一定耐心等待着新专辑的面世。

完整的让我看完了这封信的翻译版本
怎么说呢
在看这封信的时候我有很多想法
第一  看到这封长长的信
让我感觉到
我们的陶陶不是曾经那个--让我崇拜，感觉很遥远的明星了，而他是如此的在我们身边，他是如此的现实，是如此的真实，他也开始把这里当成是一个家，把这里当成是快乐，郁闷的发散地，和我们是如此的近，我真的很感动，我不知道我用中文他是否能看到，但是我还是写下我想说的（本人英语太烂5555）
第二  看到陶陶在音乐创作上的郁闷
让我想到了DEAN哥哥，为什么会这样说呢？
陶陶说：“很多朋友喜欢他第一张专集里的”爱很简单“和”沙滩“希望能再做出这样的专集，但是陶陶已经不是曾经哪个陶陶了，他也在生活中成长。
就像我N多遍对DEAN哥哥说：”DEAN哥哥，我不知道为什么我还是喜欢你以前的歌“上个女友”。”但是DEAN哥哥也是这样的回答我的，他已经不是曾经哪个他了，其实这就是成长，是每个人都要经历或者正在经历的过程，其实我们经历过的人都应该很明白这一切的。
说实话我喜欢陶陶没有这里的在坐的朋友这么早，我听他的第一首歌是“月亮代表谁的心”从广播里传出的，然后我就感觉，唱这个歌的人他真不一般，竟然能把这么一首抒情的歌唱的如此的现代感，但是并不失他原来的那样的感觉，真的很棒，我不是很喜欢激烈的曲风的，但是这个歌的感觉让我能感觉到并不那么表面的强烈而内在是很静的。
大概很多事是老天安排的，后来的一连串，让我在DTVC里找到了很多并不是网络中有的东西，这不是网络不是虚拟的网络，这里有着温暖，大家有一样的爱好有一样的感觉，大家就像一家人一样。也是在那里让我知道了这里，更是在这里让我知道了更多陶 陶的事，让我更加的了解陶陶，让我更加的喜欢你DAVID。

说了这么多，我只是用心在说，我的文采并不是很好，但是请您相信我的每句话都是真的。
你在我心里的位置没昨天怎么高了
为什么呢？
因为今天的你是我们DAVIDCN的一份子
你是我们的朋友
你也有你的不快
你也有你的郁闷
如果你郁闷了，不快了，就请你回家来看看，回家来诉说吧。
你是我们的大哥哥
我们爱你
我想你也会越来越爱我们的
还是那句话
i  love  you

last out  you[em20][em14][em16][em20]

[[i] Last edited by 仔鼠 on 2004-8-25 at 03:51 [/i]]

David,

Thanks for your message again.
I am happy to sharing your feeling and let us know your situation.

Those troubles you have met do not matter now. Just let it go. We all are your supporters of you and your works, so we are good at waiting for you.

Happiness, Love and Peace are being transferred by good music always and you are the one who present to us.

Take Care.

Love,
Pat from HK

David,

I think that you can imagine how worried I was when I read this mail at first. I really feel distressed about you, my dear. About the troubles you are meeting with, I can say nothing. I was so so worried that I skipped my lunch. David, do you know you are the WHOLE of me? You smile, then I smile; you are confused, then I am confused.  My Dave!

But David, listen to what I want to say now.

You said,[quote]I experience a lot of self-doubt, confusion, frustration and depression during each production of a new album.  But this process is essential because otherwise nothing new will emerge.[/quote]
It seems that you know the truth well and I know you can do. Then Dave, I believe that you'll recover. You won't achieve a brand new DT if there's such a hard period. No matter what happen you are the DT that I love so much, now and forever.
Herein, I wanna said DT! Do what you wanna do. It's necessary for you to get a new height. And I'll try my best to change all the worry to more patience, support and love.

And,[quote]Therefore, I am delighted to have this forum in which I can “chat” and share with my friends and supporters thoughts and ideas I may have.[/quote]
Oh do you know how excited I am when I read this?? Firstly I consider this mail as a total one that you confabulate with us and tell us some difficults you are meeting with. But you can still put us in your heart. Dear Dave, I got nothing to say now.

In a word! Don't be afraid of anything. Your happiness, let us share with you; your sorrow, let us share with you, too. We are yours. Just for you. Nothing else at all.
We are right here for you, now and forever.

怎么发表自己的想法啊,现在除了激动还是激动|||等我仔细看好~~555~~

看来DT你遇到的瓶颈不小啊!加油!!我们可以等的.
放心好了.

唉……
DT说的话好深奥
不是我一个高一学生所能领悟的。

David，先謝謝你對我們如此的誠懇。讓我們感覺我們之間的距離是納悶的近，就像朋友那樣，用心交流。
      我們相信你的。不管你改變了什麽，我相信核心是沒有變的。同樣的愛、同樣祈禱和平、同樣能夠感動我們、激勵我們、影響著這個社會，方方面面。。你怕在改變得同時失去了聽衆。也許會有這樣的情況。但是，時間可以改變一切，可以理解你的。就像我的朋友最近才來跟我說，黑色柳丁這張專輯這麽棒，能夠感動很多人。好的音樂是經得過時間考驗的。。
      真正的聽衆，不是把你的音樂作爲娛樂的，而是聆聽其中傳達給我們的訊息，我們感覺得到你要說的，你的這些話也改變著我們的生活，我們對生活的態度。你很坦誠的把你最真實的一面反映給了我們，我們同樣也會用真實的情感對待你的音樂。
      相信我們，相信你自己。你可以做到。現實中充斥著各種的矛盾，生活也是在矛盾中進行的，不能因爲他們而停滯不前。我們要試圖改變他們。
      也許我們會笑著說等待是你的歌迷的必修課，這當然除了玩笑以外，其實透露著我們對你的態度。對你的等待，是值得。我們相信你。。。
      David，好好做音樂吧。。。我們還是會支持你的。。。[em16]
      以後聊得更多吧。。。真誠地與你用心交流。。。。

[[i] Last edited by 品陶论喆 on 2004-8-25 at 11:50 [/i]]

David你真的看的见我们说的话吗？希望你能看见
我想对于每一个DT的FANS来说，我们都具备了训练有素的耐心，所以不管你遇到什么瓶颈，只要时间能复平，我们就能一直等下去。DT的FANS注重的是音乐本身，而时间对于我们来说，是音乐的一种沉淀。我们会支持你用心做好音乐，不管等待对于我们来说有多难熬……

I'm more excited than last time because you share more thoughts about music with us.In fact,I feel you present a true self in front of us.Thank you.
We all know your frustration and depression in the process of production.
And many of us have watched the documentary"11th delivery room"directed by yourself ,so we can imagin your state now and everyone here is worried about you.
PLease don't make haste.You can be confident of our patience.
And if communicating with us can relieve you of stress a little bit,come on!